Comments on: VLE vs Informal Learning http://milesberry.net/2008/10/vle-vs-informal-learning/ A personal perspective on education, technology and culture Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:55:57 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Kaleelur Rahuman http://milesberry.net/2008/10/vle-vs-informal-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-8 Kaleelur Rahuman Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:17:56 +0000 http://milesberry.net/?p=346#comment-8 Its interesting! Do we have anything right now so that to give blended service of VLE and informal learning so far? Can we do something for the community by merging the two technology and padagogy.... Its interesting!

Do we have anything right now so that to give blended service of VLE and informal learning so far?

Can we do something for the community by merging the two technology and padagogy….

]]> By: admin http://milesberry.net/2008/10/vle-vs-informal-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-7 admin Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:49:21 +0000 http://milesberry.net/?p=346#comment-7 Thank you both for your comments! You're right, of course, that the even the humble VLE <em>is</em> a place for student created content too; Roger's ellipsis covers my "shared activities". The VLE though remains an institutionally controlled space - this doesn't make it bad, indeed my argument above is that we need the institution's space alongside the personal space, but with <em>so much</em> learning happening outside the institution it would be misguided to think of this as the only space. Draw the analogy with RLEs (Real Learning Environments) - we have schools/colleges/universities, which include class/lecture rooms and social spaces, but we also have studies, libraries and countless other places where learning happens. Thank you both for your comments!
You’re right, of course, that the even the humble VLE is a place for student created content too; Roger’s ellipsis covers my “shared activities”. The VLE though remains an institutionally controlled space – this doesn’t make it bad, indeed my argument above is that we need the institution’s space alongside the personal space, but with so much learning happening outside the institution it would be misguided to think of this as the only space.
Draw the analogy with RLEs (Real Learning Environments) – we have schools/colleges/universities, which include class/lecture rooms and social spaces, but we also have studies, libraries and countless other places where learning happens.

]]> By: Roger Broadie http://milesberry.net/2008/10/vle-vs-informal-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-6 Roger Broadie Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:34:14 +0000 http://milesberry.net/?p=346#comment-6 "VLE as the place where the institution and staff provide the content..." - but why not where the pupils provide the content. Perhaps more so in secondary schools than in schools such as yours Miles. We have loads of examples in Frog schools of content from pupils bringing a huge amount of life to the digital environment. This may be club/sports areas, or what pupils contribute to forums (formal or informal), student voice/student council, tutor group areas and so on. And teachers do as well, not only with 'work' stuff but by exercising their passions for their subject in various ways. The advantage of the VLE over general web2.0 sites is that it provides a ready audience; pupils and teachers are logging on regularly for work purposes, if not for social purposes. And the audience is not just those who have their own motivations to logon, it is the whole community, with more chance for those who create/post to get what they wish to say to impact on those who might not otherwise look. I have been blogging about this at http://rogerbroadie.wordpress.com - I think the VLE or intranet has an absolutely vital role to play, as the digital environment of your 'tight' community, whereas the open web is the digital environment of your 'wide' community. And I think what is going to happen is that quite a lot of people will 'live' in their tight community, and bring weblinks into it for those parts of their wider community they engage with regularly. At least they will live in their VLE or intranet if it is dynamic, changing, lively and a fun place to be, but not if it is a pretty fixed and boring system that basically shouts 'work' at you - hence why I believe the creator-engagee dialogue is critical to create the upward spiral. “VLE as the place where the institution and staff provide the content…” – but why not where the pupils provide the content. Perhaps more so in secondary schools than in schools such as yours Miles. We have loads of examples in Frog schools of content from pupils bringing a huge amount of life to the digital environment. This may be club/sports areas, or what pupils contribute to forums (formal or informal), student voice/student council, tutor group areas and so on. And teachers do as well, not only with ‘work’ stuff but by exercising their passions for their subject in various ways.

The advantage of the VLE over general web2.0 sites is that it provides a ready audience; pupils and teachers are logging on regularly for work purposes, if not for social purposes. And the audience is not just those who have their own motivations to logon, it is the whole community, with more chance for those who create/post to get what they wish to say to impact on those who might not otherwise look.

I have been blogging about this at http://rogerbroadie.wordpress.com – I think the VLE or intranet has an absolutely vital role to play, as the digital environment of your ‘tight’ community, whereas the open web is the digital environment of your ‘wide’ community. And I think what is going to happen is that quite a lot of people will ‘live’ in their tight community, and bring weblinks into it for those parts of their wider community they engage with regularly. At least they will live in their VLE or intranet if it is dynamic, changing, lively and a fun place to be, but not if it is a pretty fixed and boring system that basically shouts ‘work’ at you – hence why I believe the creator-engagee dialogue is critical to create the upward spiral.

]]> By: Daniel http://milesberry.net/2008/10/vle-vs-informal-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-5 Daniel Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:56:20 +0000 http://milesberry.net/?p=346#comment-5 Great post - I think a good VLE can have spaces for a variety of types of learning both teacher lead, pupil lead and many others. For our upcoming new VLE I'm trying to create two core groups of creators, one of leading teachers and one of leading pupils both sets of whom will have their own space to create and control their areas. Great post – I think a good VLE can have spaces for a variety of types of learning both teacher lead, pupil lead and many others. For our upcoming new VLE I’m trying to create two core groups of creators, one of leading teachers and one of leading pupils both sets of whom will have their own space to create and control their areas.

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